From the time Barack Obama was a candidate for President of the United States, there has been discussion about whether or not he met the constitutional citizenship requirements to be president.
During this past spring, focus on Mr. Obama’s citizenship was reenergized by Donald Trump’s speaking out on the issue.
On April 27th, the president released what has been referred to as his long form birth certificate. This seemed to put the issue to rest for many, with the topic apparently gone from the mainstream media spotlight.
There were those who felt the questioning of Mr. Obama’s citizenship was unfair. Others felt questions about the President’s birth were important.
On May 18th, CYInterview had the opportunity to interview Jerome Corsi, Phd: author of Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President. Whatever your take on the issue, this interview makes for interesting reading and listening.
Among other things, Mr. Corsi made the point that there should be a mechanism put in place by which all serious candidates for president provide their birth credentials.
That said, is it possible that in the current lineup of candidates for the Republican Presidential Nomination, there is a candidate whose citizenship might be questioned? For example, Mitt Romney’s father, the late George Romney – who was Governor of Michigan and a candidate for the Republican Presidential Nomination in 1968 – was born in Mexico.
Since his father was born in Mexico, does it cast any doubt on Mitt Romney’s citizenship if some of the same criteria applied, by some, to Barack Obama are utilized?
In this CYInterview, Jerome Corsi addressed some of the points he raised in his book and contended that the long form birth certificate Barack Obama showed was fraudulent. He was asked a question about Mitt Romney’s citizenship, among other questions.
Featured columnist Jay Bildstein joins me for this interview.
You can read and listen to it below.
Listen to the Jerome Corsi interview:
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Chris Yandek: You say in the book most importantly that you wanted to see Mr. Obama’s long form birth certificate. He’s now released it. So what now?
Jerome Corsi: “Well, the, my contention has been and continues to be that the long form birth certificate Barack Obama showed us was fraudulent. I don’t accept that as a authentic document. The book makes the argument very strongly in the research I’ve done indicates that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii. It’s interesting to me that when the White House released that long form document April 27th I was in Hawaii. I went to the Department of Health in Hawaii and said, ‘Well, wanted to ask the question of whether the original paper, birth certificate Barack Obama is now gonna be subjected to independent forensic examination?’ Department refused to answer any of my questions.
Then at Kapiolani Hospital where I went next, I wanted to say, ‘Well, now that Barack Obama’s identified this as the birth hospital, can we see the records of Ann Dunham as a patient?’ And the public relations people there said, ‘If I didn’t vacate the premises immediately, they were going to call the police.’ So I guess the cover up is still going on.”
Jay Bildstein: Well, Jerry, I’ve got a number of comments and a number of questions so if you could bear with me. The first thing that comes to my mind is that, when a prosecutor takes on a case and represents the state, there’s supposed to be a prosecutorial mindset of proceeding without passion or prejudice, in other words, simply looking for the facts and seeing where the facts take you. Do you believe in your book if we were going to cast you for a moment in role of prosecutor in terms of this issue of the birth certificate, would you say that you have proceeded without passion or prejudice?
JC: “Well, I’m not sure that the model of prosecutor applies entirely. I’d have to give that a lot of thought. The model that does apply is investigative journalists. I think as an investigative journalist, I am searching for the truth and continuing to do so. I don’t think it’s a emotional exercise. I think it’s a fact driven exercise. In fact, if you look at the book, I’ve got 125 exhibits in the book. They’re printed in the center of the book in glossy paper so they’re easy to read. I’m trying to present to the readers the evidence so they themselves can see the documents and make their own decision. So I’d say my investigative research that I’m doing and demonstrated in the book is a search for the truth.”
JB: Well, you know what? Excellent use of the term investigative reporter and this is something I can personally relate to. I’m going to ask you to listen to something, I’m gonna read something that I wrote and it’s a kind of a curious circumstance for me because I wrote a very, very long and what I consider to be and some other people consider to be a well researched article about a part of the Obama candidacy. I’d like to get your reaction to this than I’d like to make a comment if that’s ok with you.
Back on the 18th of February 2008, I published an article called Obama’s Website Contains Deceptive Information. The first paragraph says, “I have found information on Democratic, U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s website, www.barackobama.com, which I consider to be deceptive. The information in question was online as of Saturday, February 16th at 12 Noon EST and prior to that.”
Now I’m going to skip down to what I found in question. There was a piece of information or a paragraph on this website which says, “As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of.” And then it goes on say what he warned of and I go on in my article and say, ‘I’ve come to Barack Obama’s website initially.’ This is not from my article. I went to Barack Obama’s website as a candidate because he interested me and I thought I’d read about him. But as I read this, I scratched my head and said, ‘Wait a minute, Barack Obama was not a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002 and I went through all the reasoning this may have happened.
And I did some extensive research on it and as we both know, he was not a U.S. Senate candidate in 2002. Yet, his website said he was. And it’s interesting that neither the mainstream media nor even people as thorough as yourself went to information that there is no need for forensic examination. In fact, I believe you can still go to his website today and this piece of information is still there today and it’s either still false or misleading today. Why have we gone so far with certain things like long form birth certificates and everything else when there is certain very, very plain in your face pieces of information which exist on a website which nobody’s really looking at?
JC: “Well, first of all, it’s not possible to look at everything. And my focus on looking at the birth certificate is Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. Since I have written much about and have deep interest in regard for the Constitution that Barack Obama may not be eligible for president, I consider a very important issue and hence the examination of the birth certificate is one of the lines of in inquiry on the eligibility question in relationship to Article 2, Section 1. I’m not saying it’s the only important question. It’s just one I’ve focused on and that’s why.”
JB: Now one thing I find very interesting though is and I’d like to see how objected you might be about this because I gave this a lot of thought in preparation for this interview, what presidents have we had who have been subjected to this level of scrutiny about their birth certificate? Now I do not deny for one moment Jerry that you bring up some very compelling and interesting points, but what I scratch my head and wonder is in the point of fairness, should not the same level of investigative reporting be focused on every single bona fide candidate or potential candidate you know that’s in the public eye?
There’s some people we may not know of who pretend to run for president. Shouldn’t they all be subjected to the same treatment and I say this because especially if we go back over the course of the 20th century, there were different folks who actually had claimed that they were born in the United States when they weren’t. I don’t know why I’m thinking of this name, but Colonel Tom Parker I believe, who was Elvis Presley’s manager, I think had claimed he was born in the United States. Now he didn’t run for president, but he was actually born in the Netherlands. My point is, maybe there are other people out there, maybe there are even presidents out there who weren’t really born in the country.
Do we know unless we place the same level of exhaustive investigative journalism pointed at them like you have at President Barack Obama, is it fair to focus on one in one way and to give everybody else potentially a pass?
JC: “Well, in the book I argue, towards the end of the book that there should be a mechanism put into place where every candidate, every serious candidate for president is required to present their birth credentials. So my answer, I agree with you. I think in the future, one of the lessons we should take from here, I devote a chapter to showing how the Democrats and mainstream media exhibits, I’ve got 125 exhibits in here, look at the exhibits one through about 15, the Democrats and the mainstream media pounded John McCain in 2008 on his eligibility.
He was born in the Canal Zone. And John McCain had to actually present, he did present his birth credentials to Congress. Congress passed a resolution. Barack Obama was a cosponsor.
The resolution said that, ‘Both of McCain’s parents were U.S. Citizens when he was born and the resolution could not imagine that the founders meant to exclude someone as a natural born citizen when they were born out of the country because the parents were serving the nation in military duty and that’s why he was born out of the country.
Barack Obama didn’t submit himself to the same scrutiny. And I think here you’ve gotten a demonstration of a very partisan approach to the eligibility question when you see how the Democrats attacked McCain and the mainstream media when they thought there was a vulnerability in a Republican. But yet, circle the wagon and ridicule anyone who asks the identical questions about Barack Obama.
So clearly the way to avoid this in the future is to close the loophole in the Constitution. The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1 specifies the president will be a natural born citizen, but creates no institution or mechanism responsible for making that determination. So we need to create a either state or federal remedy so that all future candidates are screened with regards to their credibility, I’m sorry, the credentials, their birth credentials under Article 2, Section 1. Should be even across the board and done for everybody.”
JB: Ok, so you stand for equality on this. Isn’t it true though that in the case of John McCain this was really something of a red herring because there had already been either law or some kind of amendment to the Constitution which dealt specifically with people who were born in the Panama Canal Zone separate and apart from the issue of their parentage?
JC: “Yes, but you know, the Democrats used that against McCain. They said McCain wasn’t born within the timeframe, which that amendment applied. And in fact, the Democrats tried to use that law to say that McCain didn’t fall within its purview. In fact, the Democrats even after Congress, even after Congress passed a resolution that McCain was fully a natural born citizen, the very papers continued to press the issue. They were continuing to raise the issue and saying, ‘Well, maybe it wasn’t enough that Congress passed that resolution.’ So you can see how partisan, how determined the Democrats were against McCain and McCain produced the evidence.
Now if the Democrats had been being fair instead of partisan, the Democrats would’ve said, ‘Ok, now turn around is fair play, so Barack Obama will now submit his birth credentials to Congress.’ Obama didn’t do that. He refused. That’s where I think you know, that drew my attention and I think that’s one of the reasons I started getting into this issue. Also, to stop all this in the future from happening by creating a government institution federal or state level where all candidates have to go through this and it won’t be partisan anymore.”
JB: Well, you now, you said some very interesting things. The first thing I would say, you mentioned Democrats a number of times. To me personally and especially when I look at this in the context of journalists, I’m not interested in the Democrats. I’m not interested in the Republicans. I’m not interested in the left and I’m not interested in the right. I’m interested in the truth. It seems to me from following the media as I do that the length, duration and intensity of the scrutiny on Barack Obama’s eligibility, before and after the fact of him being elected President of the United States, has been by orders of magnitude far greater than the similar scrutiny and debate which took place with John McCain. However.”
JC: “Can I comment on that point?”
JB: Yeah. By all means, please do.
JC: “I think when you take a look at the campaign against McCain, which goes back, I’ve dated it back to February 2008 and newspaper articles were still appearing through July 2008. Now, it was very intense. Much more mainstream media coverage of the McCain eligibility issue in terms of attacking McCain or questioning McCain, vetting him, than has ever been done with Obama. And I think McCain used at least a technique to put this to an end. McCain said, ‘Ok, I’ll submit to Congress my birth credentials.’ Now I think it continued longer and gotten more intense for Obama because Obama has not employed a similar tactic. Obama for three years now when these questions have been raised have largely stonewalled them, submitted only his short form certificate of live birth and said, ‘That ought to satisfy everybody.’
Didn’t come to Congress. Didn’t get an independent investigation. Didn’t openly submit his birth credentials to any independent group or any group that could be consider independent for determination. Because Obama has stonewalled basically and not released the information that would permit an easy determination of his eligibility. I think the debate and the mystery have deepened and continued. That’s the distinction I would draw between the two cases.”
JB: It’s interesting when you bring up the short form. I mean I know myself personally and I wasn’t born in the state of Hawaii, but I for a variety of purposes have had to on an occasion because either I misplaced, I didn’t have my original birth certificate. It wasn’t probably even the original, my photostatic copy of my original birth certificate from back around the time that Noah was building a boat because of a coming flood, I had to go to I guess to the bureau of vital statistics or whatever it is and they gave me one of these computer generated short form birth certificates, certificate of live birth, whatever the technical name was.
And I used that for any purpose I ever had to do and it never raised anybody’s eyebrows of not being official, worthwhile or useful. It seems to me that, that part for Barack Obama there’s a bit of a double standard because I think for most of us in the United States if we went to the bureau of vital statistics and pulled out whatever birth certificate they gave us and presented it for legal purposes, people would accept it. I do have a very specific question.
JC: “Can I comment on that one?”
JB: Yeah. Please do.
JC: “I cite in the book even with the U.S. State Department, the passages in the State Department where short form birth certificates are not considered sufficient to get a passport. The State Department makes it clear that they do not in all instances accept the short form. So in fact, I think that’s on page 212, it’s exhibit 96 in the book, State Department website talking about passport records and making it sure that, clear that short forms are not necessarily acceptable.
These are the kinds of issues that I think people, Barack Obama, if he had a long form is the point I want to make, if he had a long form, which he was releasing on April 27th and it only contained the new information that he was born in Kapiolani and the doctor’s name was Sinclair, it’s hard for me to understand why that was not released three years ago and it would’ve prevented the entire discussion.”
JB: You know what, you say something.
JC: “I’m told we’re running out of time. I’m told that we’re running out of time for the interview, how long did you guys have it setup scheduled?”
JB: If you have a few more minutes, we do too.
CY: I had [30 minutes set].
JC: “We have about one more minute before the next interview starts.”
JB: Ok, I will say this, number one, you brought up an interesting point that the word, that the state department uses will not necessarily accept.
JB: That doesn’t mean they’ll reject. I don’t see that President Barack Obama did not respond to the law of the land. He followed the laws of the land. These questions are beyond the extent of the law. But something very important about an upcoming candidate Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney’s father George Romney was born in Mexico. I believe he was born in the state of Kalila, Mexico. In 1998 I believe for a Mexican constitutional reformation, it became possible for people of Mexican parentage to become dual citizens of the United States in Mexico.
Is based on your research, would Mitt Romney be ineligible to be President of the United States because of a potential dual citizenship because his father George Romney, who actually was the Governor of Michigan was born in Mexico and now you can be a dual citizenship of both countries since 1998.
JC: “Well, I haven’t looked at Mitt Romney’s birth credentials at all. I haven’t looked at the question, but I think if from what I said earlier, if Mitt Romney is gonna be a serious candidate I’d like a mechanism in place that would look at those questions and would make an independent judgment and would be in order to do so.”
JB: But I’m saying from your point of view, knowing that his father was born in Mexico.
JC: “I don’t have, I haven’t looked at it. So I can’t comment on something I haven’t researched.”
JB: I got ya.
JB: Ok, well, Jerry, thank you very much.
JC: “Thank you gentleman very much. I appreciate it and look forward to talking to you again.”
JB: Ok. You too.
JC: “Thank you. Bye-bye.”
Jerome Corsi’s official website is here
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